The ugly duckling (SMF Mazda 323)

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Re: The ugly duckling (SMF Mazda 323)

Postby PDM » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:42 am

spring rates......yes.

Something EVERYONE fails to remember, that once you are increasing cornering G loads with wider wheels/tires, and or moving to R comps or slicks - you will need to raise the spring (and corresponding shock dampening) rates to compensate for body roll. Seen it a hundred times and something everyone fails to recognize. (remember watching cars go from Radials to slicks at Westwood and then blown motors follow as the G loads starve the oil pickups and kill cars.) - speaking of Adam, you have thought of this for the motor correct ? (ask Chris about oil starvation OOOOOO BURNNN)

On the SM 240 - I never had fuel issues until I ran the front splitter and then on sweepers we started starving - so had to build a small fuel sump system.

ahhhhh...... I see the trailer and tow vehicle in the near future for Adam and Rob as they have stepped off the slippery slope of streetable SM to full unstreetable/trailer queen competitive SM race car ;)
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Re: The ugly duckling (SMF Mazda 323)

Postby crazycanadian » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:26 am

Thanks Don.

Famous last words, "the motor should be good." haha. Its a newier generation KL that fixes some of the oiling issues they had. I haven't found a lot of info on oil starvation issues with these motors.

Rob has a trailer. :) we don't know if the car fits on it yet. But we are half way there. :) I still plan to drive the car to local events.
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Re: The ugly duckling (SMF Mazda 323)

Postby crazycanadian » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:50 pm

Scratch a little more off the list. 800lbs springs arrived and I got them installed. Swapped the 600ish front springs to the rear and ditched the 400lbs. I ran into an issue trying to swap to stock 323 inner tie rod ends. Turns out an mx3 gs rack has M18X1.5 thread inner joint. All the other 323/protege/4 cyl mx3/ZX2/escort inner tie rods I looked up were M16X1.0 soooo nothing I found would actually interchange. Rob and I managed to fit the inner tie rods in his dad lathe and mill them down so we could rethread them and shorten them.

We've also raised the ride hight about 5/16" all around. Slotted the shocks for more camber adjustment at the knuckle. Adjusted all the camber we could out of top and maxed out caster. That should still get me 3deg camber up front yet lower my SAI down below the factory 12 degree. It should also give me 5 degree castor. Should be an interesting set up for this year.

We also cut a little out of the fender and bumper to help clear the big 275s up front. Lots of work done and still more to come.

how about some pictures?

Mx3 compared to 323 inner tie rod.
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inner thread differences between the mx3 and 323. The mx3 inner thread is also a friction fit.
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Rob working away at the lathe.
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you can see how much we milled down. At the end of the day we went further then we needed.
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shortened and re threaded mx3 tie rod compared to the 323 tie rod.
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coil overs all cleaned up and springs swapped around. Pretty new red 800lbs springs in the front.
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Cutting away at the fenders and bumper. We ended up taking 3/4" out of the bumper and the front half of the fender arch.

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face masks? Who needs a stinking face mask. It actually looks worse then it is with my facial expression.
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Re: The ugly duckling (SMF Mazda 323)

Postby crazycanadian » Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:16 pm

Alignment day yesterday. The boys down at Dales had no issues getting things set up how I wanted.

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This year is going to be an interesting year for suspension up. Since I have owned the car it has always been running mx3 suspension under it. An mx3 is about 2" wider then a 323. This ment I have always had a SAI angle that was 14 degreeor more. Stock 323 is supposed to be 12.5 deg. Since I started running on rcomps I have chased some odd front tire wear issues. Last season I set my upper camber/caster plates to the factory location, set my camber up at the knuckle I managed to get even tire wear. Unfortunately the front end seamed to loose grip. Turn in didn't feel as good as it had in the past.

This season I have gone back to stock 323 control arms, set my upper camber/caster plates to max out caster but reduce camber/SAI angle as much as possible. camber has been set down at the knuckle. This season's set up. Front camber 2.7. Caster 3.9. Zero toe. SAI is now down to 12.1. Rear has been set to 2.5 camber and zero toe. The rear is the same as last year. Judging from tire wear and temps this was a good set up last year.

Any comments on the set up are welcome.
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Re: The ugly duckling (SMF Mazda 323)

Postby crazycanadian » Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:24 pm

Rob and I knocked a lot off the list today. I didn't take many pictures but we only have 3 things left. The fuel cell cover needs some tabs welded to it to mount it to the floor. The rear wing needs fabrication and a harness bar needs to be fabbed up. As of right now the car is ready for the revscene meet tomorrow. Should be fun showing the car off.

The list is getting shorter.
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pretty painted seat brackets. We were running out of black so blue would do. It just so happens go match the blue drivers seat.
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Re: The ugly duckling (SMF Mazda 323)

Postby crazycanadian » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:23 pm

Well she is all ready for the test and tune event tomorrow.

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with a little help from my son I got the cover for the fuel cell installed today. The bolts and everything holding it down are on the inside of the car. This keeps the outside look pretty clean and nice.

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Unfortunately I noticed today that the lid is going to interfere with the harness bar when I build it.
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Re: The ugly duckling (SMF Mazda 323)

Postby crazycanadian » Mon May 11, 2015 7:06 pm

Well its been a little while I finally got some pictures up loaded from the Crows Landing National Tour event. Rob and I were very happy with how the car performed. We've discovered SMF has some tuff competition and we are going to need more power if we hope to stay competitive.

It took about 19 hours to get down to Patterson California. We drove straight threw the night Wednesday and arrived Thursday afternoon. I was really glad we did this because it gave Rob and I much needed down time to decompress and relax from the drive.
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We stayed the night in Patterson at a hotel. Friday morning we headed over to Crows Landing to get set up and have a chance to run the test and tune. We ended up camping on site. I am not sure if this was a good idea or not, but it worked out. Rob got heat stroke on friday unfortunately. Us canadians aren't used to that much sun.
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The test and tune went well. Rob and I did 4 runs each on the short little 30sec course. We were amazed with how much more grip you have on the concrete surface. Rob and I noticed right away that the car was much more balanced then our "test runs" the weekend before. I am not sure if its due to the higher speeds, warmer weather or the grip levels of the concrete but it didn't matter. The car did exactly what we wanted it to do. It turned in well, the back end was easy to control It was amazing.
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Saterday we got to meet all of our competitors. There were 5 of us in total driving 3 cars. The biggest shocker was the 2005 Acura TL. It had been revamped in 5 days between national tour events. The owner of the car was fast but dirty all day. Consistently his scratch times were half a second faster then Rob and I. The little CRX that was in our class was suffering from tuning issues relating to Vtech not kicking it. Rob and I were both a bit disappointed, we really wanted to see what that car would. As 3rd runs came to a close Rob sat 1.4 sec a head of me in 1st place. I had coned my 3rd run which would have beaten Rob, so I had to settle on my 2nd Run. Brett in the TL had coned every run, this put him 1.0 sec behind me. Knowing that Brett was faster then us Rob and I felt pretty comfortable that we had enough of a lead that we'd do well so long as we ran consistent and clean on Day 2.
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Driving the course on Day 1 was a huge adrenaline rush for both Rob and I. Walking the course we knew it was going to be fast, but we didn't know just HOW fast. I couldn't believe the amount of time I was spending on my limiter. The back sweeper we were taking in 3rd gear foot to the floor. My data loger was showing 65 - 68mph in this section. It was UNREAL!.

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Day 2 proved that anything can happen. Running the course in reverse was just as fast as day 1, all though we didn't end up in 3rd gear. My first run out felt pretty good but I ended up hitting a cone in the slalom. DAMN slaloms! Robs first run on the other hand was different story. He coned as well but he was having a real hard time with the back end of the car wanting to come around. My second Run ended in a DNF as I got really sideways on the 2nd sweeper element. I almost saved it and kept it on course but I had over corrected. When the front tires caught traction the car jumped right and I wasn't able to make 1 gate. Robs 2nd run was slow, very slow. We both concluded something was wrong with the car, the back end was almost uncontrollable. At this point Bret had shed his cones and he was pImage

In a mad scramble to try and get the car sorted out I set the front shocks to full stiff and the rear to full soft. As I thought about the course, I dailed things back in a couple areas where I was having trouble with the ass end of the car. This proved to do the trick as the car was much more balanced and I finished out with a clean 54.8. This moved me up to the top spot. I relayed to Rob what I changed and how much better the car felt and did the best I could to pump him full of confidence. Rob took what I had to say and ran with it, improving on my time with a 54.7. Brett was the last person in our class to run. I watched the time bored anxiously as Brett finished his final run. It was a fast run, but not fast enough. Stopping the clock with a 54.1. His dirty day on saterday stuck around to haunt him, putting Rob and I in 1st and 2nd.
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Packing up on sunday we figured out why the tail end was so loose. Concrete has a lot of grip, but it sure wears a lot on tires. I would have never thought I'd cored a rear tire. Granted the rears were just what we had left from last season, I thought they would have enough meat on them to make it threw this season. Glad we have 2 more spares.
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Rob and I holding up our "trophies"
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The SMF class all together It was a great group of guys. We all had a lot of fun.
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Re: The ugly duckling (SMF Mazda 323)

Postby ginger » Tue May 12, 2015 7:54 am

Looks like you guys had a blast down there and congrats on the wins for both of you! Ill have to make it down there sometime soon :)
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Re: The ugly duckling (SMF Mazda 323)

Postby crazycanadian » Tue May 12, 2015 8:50 pm

Kevin,

Crows Landing should definitely be on your bucket list for major autocross events. From what I heard talking to people it not uncommon to run such high speed courses there. You combine that with the grip levels of concrete and it's makes for an amazing driving experience.
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Re: The ugly duckling (SMF Mazda 323)

Postby crazycanadian » Sun May 17, 2015 10:04 pm

Time to upgrade.. Rad sprung a leak today as I arrived at the vcmc event.

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Looks like I caught a rock in the area of the leak but I couldn't be certain. The rad is 20 something years old. I bought it for $20 from the junk yard 2.5 years ago in pretty ruff shape.
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Re: The ugly duckling (SMF Mazda 323)

Postby crazycanadian » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:10 pm

Wow.. I haven't updated this in a long time.

Rob and I finished 1st and 3rd down in Packwood. It was quite the battle coming down to my last run on sunday. After the event we ran the car once more locally. We ended up cording one of our front tires. At that point life priorities changed and we parked the car.

Recently a great deal surfaced. With a day trip to Kelowna and back I came home with $400 less in my wallet. In its place a great deal of brand new goodies.. not just brand new to me either. The turbo, intercooler, piping, headers, waste gate and bov are all brand new..

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Re: The ugly duckling (SMF Mazda 323)

Postby PDM » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:24 pm

Great Score Adam !!!

(you think you had issues keeping A7's under your front end this year ?? !!! lol. Add a whack of money to your tire bill now !!


I'm intrigued....what is the aluminum piece in the picture by your intercooler ? Looks like double flanges for BOV's, but why two ?
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Re: The ugly duckling (SMF Mazda 323)

Postby crazycanadian » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:28 pm

Thanks Don..

that aluminum piece does look like it's for double blow off valves.. not a clue why the guy had it but he was unloading his garage so he threw it in...
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